Towards a new relationship between nature and society
Considering the future Landscape Design from the perspective of net zero water
[Part 1]

Mitsubishi Jisho Design​ ​is collaborating with Oumi on a master plan project in Southeast Asia.How​ ​didyour relationship with our company begin?

Around 2003, I USMaximum Urban Planning and Landscape Design ・ EDAW is a design organization. in"Tokyo Midtown Design of "I was involved in. at that time,Mokichi Kuribayashi (Current,Mitsubishi Jisho Design I met the head of the Urban Environmental Planning Department. Yes, from now on,Coming to JapanOnce Information Exchange Go toI have arrived.
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Southeast AsiaFor this project, we proposed the overall Landscape Design and placemaking for the main public spaces at an early stage, and during schematic design stage we conducted design reviews of the local office's designs in collaboration with the master planner, Mitsubishi Jisho Design Team.

Oumi, your title is creative director rather than Landscape Design architect.

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We are not bound by the boundaries of specialized fields such as architecture and civil engineering, but rather place emphasis on going beyond those boundaries to seamlessly design the entire space that people use. In collaboration with Mitsubishi Jisho Design, we are responsible for integrating the building, exterior, and people's movement lines, working to create a harmonious space as a whole.

What is the meaning behind the​"​ma"in office ma?

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​This seems​ ​to be related to the title of creative director.

This does not mean that you can do anything with​ ​this title, but it is important to broaden your perspective and thinking to include things that may not seem related to Landscape Design at first glancein order to grasp the characteristics of a place.This is an effective step in building a design framework.

In the Southeast Asian project mentioned at the beginning, the framework that was builtaround 2020when you participatedis still in good condition.I think one of the characteristics of Oumi and his team is that they quickly organize the given conditions that form the basis of the project and establisha framework that does not waver.

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​If you do the initial storytelling well​,your​ ​client​ ​will be interested.You will share a common vision,​ ​clarify the direction ofyour team, andbuild trust.

​Isn't there a movement​ ​to embraceforms that don't fit into the framework?

The framework itself does not necessarily limit the form. Although it differs from project to project, a rigid framework that is too inflexible will not work.Sometimes an ideological framework can become a framework. In projects​ ​characterized by the complexity of the terrain, this maybe​ ​an important factor of the framework.If there is no funding, thinking aboutthe mechanism of money circulation may be the basis of the framework.
After all, the design process is not actually very​ ​linear​ ​and​ ​often involves back and forth, so it's important that your framework is flexible enough to support​ ​this process.

As you work on many global projects,how do you incorporate local conditions such as the country's characteristics, climate, and vegetation into your designs?

"Working with the local people" is important, but at the same time, the value we can provide is "looking at a place from an outside perspective." We cannot become experts on the local land or region where a project is taking place, but I think our forte is looking at a place from the outside, that is, skillfully connecting the local and the global. On the other hand, in the place where we live, we may know too much, or our preconceptions and perspectives may be too fixed, which may prevent us from moving forward very smoothly (laughs).

At the start of a project, I talk to as many people as possible and listen to things that are not directly related to Landscape Design. Getting ideas to think is an important process that broadens your perspective. Nowadays, there is a lot of information available through various means, but the most important thing is to distinguish that information. Rather than digging deep into one thing, I try to spread my reach out to various places first, and then quickly identify and connect information that seems promising.

Landscape Design changes with the seasons, and grows or shrinks over time. It's not something that ends once it's completed.

The project"In the FOREST" (2015)in the rapidly growing city of Changsha, China, is a 7ha complex consisting of residential, commercial and office space. There were several similar projects underway within a 5km radius of the site. In this situation, the new facility has the highest value, so if you're unlucky, a new facility will be built next door about 3 months after opening. We proposed to the client that we want to create something that will "get better and stronger as time passes since opening," so that the site itself will not be consumed. The plan is to create a large green space in the middle of the development, which will gradually turn into a forest.
Various types of housing were already planned. There were family-type homes, high-rise towers for the wealthy, and low-rise and mid-riseSOHO-style residential offices, but at that time in China, it was rare to see a mix of diverse housing in a single project. Since economic disparities would arise between the buildings, the forest in the center acts as a buffer to allow them to coexist. We thought that having diverse people living there would make the place better. We planned a place that would grow over time, taking into consideration the "flow of people's lives," such as children who grow up in a family-type building starting their own business and moving to a SOHO, becoming successful and moving to a high-rise building.

What techniques have you found to resonate with your clients?

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We have talked about building frameworks and forming team mindsets, but we would like to hear some tips for Japanese organizational design firms to aim to create organizations that can thrive overseas.So that's the end of the first half of the interview.I think so.

While working with Mitsubishi Jisho Design, I noticed that there are many people with various passions and a diverse character. It may be a characteristic of Japanese people and Japanese companies that individuality is not easily seen when working in an organization. It is unfortunate when individuality is not conveyed well to the client or is not utilized in the project when it becomes a large team.
In overseas design firms, partner-level people have a lot of individuality and seem to be good at winning over clients. I think this aspect can be seen in Japan as well, but I feel that in Japan, teamwork tends to be more prominent. So, if we could see more individuality in this teamwork itself, we might see a "strength as an organization" that is different from overseas.
In some countries, clients may look for charismatic leadership from design firms, but that's not always the right answer. I feel that in China and Korea, there is a strong pull from "who is in charge," but in the Philippines and Thailand, clients themselves speak up and debate as team members. It seems like Japanese design firms like Mitsubishi Jisho Design are a good fit for these cultural spheres. This is a view based on my own experience(laughs).

This is an important hint for building an organizationforour company's future overseasexpansion. Thank you very much.